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  • jasray

    “It works like crap in Opera. Not uncommon for Google stuff, yet I seriously challenge the idea of something being web page if it doesn’t work in arbitrary modern browser. I don’t want to give a damn about browser wars and politics. If I open web page I expect it to work.”

    The expectation may be unrealistic; no doubt, in fact it has happened to us, SIS works fine in every browser except Opera! OMG, when I use a browser, I expect it (demand it) work in any modern browser. Lesson learned: What is is more important than what should be.

    I don’t work with GDs as much as Zoho–Zoho has some nice offerings. But for the average worker and computer user, Office Live offers more than enough, more than he/she will ever use.

    Personally, I’d rather have all the programs on my desktop–actually, rather idiotic since all I really need, even a decent photo editor, I can find online.

  • @jasray

    The expectation may be unrealistic

    I don’t think it is as much expectation as more of definition. For example Firefox/Chrome/Opera (pick one) extension works in browser and may be similar to web page, but we aren’t calling it web page.

    So is something that requires specific browser(s) still a web page?

    I understand very well the compromise Google makes by discarding Opera most of the time. However the viable compromise is still one, if it doesn’t work as web page then it is less than web page. If it is less than web page than it should be evaluated as such.

  • It works like crap in Opera. Not uncommon for Google stuff, yet I seriously challenge the idea of something being web page if it doesn’t work in arbitrary modern browser.

    On the one hand I agree. On the other hand, I agree with jasray that this may be an unrealistic expectation. Last I checked, Opera made up less than 4% of the market for web browsers. Add to that the fact that Opera isn’t entirely supportive of web standards, and most developers won’t focus on it. Particularly when we have so many other browsers to work with, and covering Firefox/IE/Chrome/Safari covers more than 95% of our potential users.

    Still, I agree that it’s nice to assume a web product will work in our browser of choice, and it still bugs me that so many websites won’t let me use Chrome or Safari and default to the typical IE/Firefox requirement.

    The alternatives (and I recommend you give them a try in Opera as well) would be Microsoft Office Live and Office 365 . They claim to be similar cloud-based office apps … but I haven’t used them very much.

  • @Eric Mann

    Last I checked, Opera made up less than 4% of the market for web browsers.

    Let me rephrase this as I usually do – there are only over fifty millions of Opera desktop users. Who cares about that many, right? :)

    Market share is function of marketing budget, not technical merits of browser.

    Add to that the fact that Opera isn’t entirely supportive of web standards

    Care to point out specific web standards it doesn’t support? Preferably real and finalized ones. Because the “sneak in semi-custom half-baked features and make competing browsers suck” got very tiresome over years.

  • The DataRat

    “Opera isn’t
    entirely supportive
    of web standards”

    Actually, the problem has been Web pages designed for IE which
    wasn’t entirely supportive of Web standards !

    Before Opera v. 10x, I had to open up IE to view Web pages that
    Opera couldn’t handle on a regular basis. Yet this was because
    those Web pages were written for IE’s non-compliant requirements.

    Since Opera v. 10, I haven’t had to do that much at all.
    Not because Opera had changed BUT BECAUSE IE CHANGED !

    IE became more Web-standards compliant. And now Web pages which
    are written for IE will work in Opera.

    The DataRat

  • The DataRat

    “if it doesn’t
    work as web page
    then it is less
    than web page”

    This is just indolence and inertia on Google’s part. They simply
    don’t care enough to fully port their applications to Opera !

    Part of it also is browser imperialism.

    If we don’t use IE or Firefox or Chrome (in Google’s estimation)
    we should ! Well, computers and the Internet are about choices.
    More choices rather than less choices.

    Any trend oppositional to that shall -in the long term- defeat
    itself.

    Cloud Computing, in particular, has this defect to overcome.
    As long as it trends to conventionality and conformity, it will
    generate resistance.

    The DataRat

  • Panos

    @Eric Mann

    Add to that the fact that Opera isn’t entirely supportive of web standards

    Opera has the best support of web standards. It (along with performance) was always the strong selling point of this browser.

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