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> <channel><title>Comments on: Google Wave Preview &#8211; first look</title> <atom:link href="http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/</link> <description>cynical thoughts on software, web, etc</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Google Wave invites giveaway &#124; Rarst.net</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12351</link> <dc:creator>Google Wave invites giveaway &#124; Rarst.net</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:20:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12351</guid> <description>[...] you somehow managed to miss it – post on Google Wave preview.  Tags: giveaway, google, invite, wave, Web        Get updates via RSS  Possibly related [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you somehow managed to miss it – post on Google Wave preview.  Tags: giveaway, google, invite, wave, Web        Get updates via RSS  Possibly related [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Feet Have Been &#124; Feature Friday &#8211; Google Wave Preview &#8211; Rarst.net</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12211</link> <dc:creator>Feet Have Been &#124; Feature Friday &#8211; Google Wave Preview &#8211; Rarst.net</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:02:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12211</guid> <description>[...] still too early to tell. Some people are gushing over it, while others are a little wary. This post is a great introduction to wave and an easy way to see just what the hype is about. As always, I have reserved a couple invites to [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] still too early to tell. Some people are gushing over it, while others are a little wary. This post is a great introduction to wave and an easy way to see just what the hype is about. As always, I have reserved a couple invites to [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12191</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:15:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12191</guid> <description>@szekelya&lt;cite&gt;easy file sharing of eventually big files. Even cd iso images or bigger.&lt;/cite&gt;Basic file sharing is currently very easy in Wave - drag and drop. Only requires Google Gears installed.As for large files this might take some extension and/or running own corporate Wave server. It is too early for such features, so hard to say how it will be shaped.Same on calendars, hard to tell at moment. Just keep in mind that Wave is highly extensible stuff. If there will be demand there will be people happily developing extensions.No RSS feeds implemented for now. Anyway RSS is easy so I fully expect it will be in later, even if not as native function.&lt;cite&gt;All this without having to direct our corporate mailing from internal Exchange accounts to public gmail – admitting, that I still have no understanding what and how exactly wave does.&lt;/cite&gt;This is one of the Wave strongest features. You can run own Wave server and use it to communicate globally as well - with Google waves or any third party server.Communications between your colleagues with your own accounts won&#039;t physically leave your server. Even if they talk in private mode on some external wave - those blips will be securely stored and won&#039;t get out.For now Google is only Wave implementation, but think of it as email - nowadays even cheap hosting can acts as your own email server. Wave is built to be like email - highly distributed and independent server structure, but standard and unified communication space.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@szekelya</p><p><cite>easy file sharing of eventually big files. Even cd iso images or bigger.</cite></p><p>Basic file sharing is currently very easy in Wave &#8211; drag and drop. Only requires Google Gears installed.</p><p>As for large files this might take some extension and/or running own corporate Wave server. It is too early for such features, so hard to say how it will be shaped.</p><p>Same on calendars, hard to tell at moment. Just keep in mind that Wave is highly extensible stuff. If there will be demand there will be people happily developing extensions.</p><p>No RSS feeds implemented for now. Anyway RSS is easy so I fully expect it will be in later, even if not as native function.</p><p><cite>All this without having to direct our corporate mailing from internal Exchange accounts to public gmail – admitting, that I still have no understanding what and how exactly wave does.</cite></p><p>This is one of the Wave strongest features. You can run own Wave server and use it to communicate globally as well &#8211; with Google waves or any third party server.</p><p>Communications between your colleagues with your own accounts won&#8217;t physically leave your server. Even if they talk in private mode on some external wave &#8211; those blips will be securely stored and won&#8217;t get out.</p><p>For now Google is only Wave implementation, but think of it as email &#8211; nowadays even cheap hosting can acts as your own email server. Wave is built to be like email &#8211; highly distributed and independent server structure, but standard and unified communication space.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: szekelya</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12190</link> <dc:creator>szekelya</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:10:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12190</guid> <description>@TheDataRat:
&quot;Thanks, but I got to wash my hair today.&quot;
You&#039;re tough. :)&quot;My experience being that each added person to real time communication
arithmetically subtracts intelligence from the overall dialogue. The
IQ of any given conversation elevates inversely to the number of
people conversing !&quot;
Couldn&#039;t agree more. Same with meetings, unless there&#039;s a moderator with strong control, or if the meeting is too formal to get lost in irrelevant timewasting. If this is a imultaneous many to many communication form, I&#039;m sure I&#039;d want some control not to let fun overcome productivity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TheDataRat:<br
/> &#8220;Thanks, but I got to wash my hair today.&#8221;<br
/> You&#8217;re tough. :)</p><p>&#8220;My experience being that each added person to real time communication<br
/> arithmetically subtracts intelligence from the overall dialogue. The<br
/> IQ of any given conversation elevates inversely to the number of<br
/> people conversing !&#8221;<br
/> Couldn&#8217;t agree more. Same with meetings, unless there&#8217;s a moderator with strong control, or if the meeting is too formal to get lost in irrelevant timewasting. If this is a imultaneous many to many communication form, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d want some control not to let fun overcome productivity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: szekelya</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12189</link> <dc:creator>szekelya</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:04:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12189</guid> <description>BTW putting apart scepticism, if it turns out to be a good collaboration platform, I wonder if it can really solve all collaboration needs, or just combines the already existing tools, that you might find that sucks like email, but I might be satisfied with.
The core thread plus sideforks plus media sounds fine, but never really felt that the existing tools would be so bad about it.What I&#039;d like to have in a single collaboration tool (leading 10 people in a telco support and integrator department) on top and not instead of my existing e-mail / IM / presence / fileserver possibilities :
-easy file sharing of eventually big files. Even cd iso images or bigger.
-task assignment with notifiers, acknowledgement, possibility of progress or status reporting (not for project managers, no need for overcomplicated resource graphs and visual representation of task dependencies, just simple stuff)
-groupcalendar that interacts with corporate tools (Outlook/Exchange and cellphone calendars)
-rss feeds for separate topics
-All this without having to direct our corporate mailing from internal Exchange accounts to public gmail - admitting, that I still have no understanding what and how exactly wave does.Will wave do some of these for me?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW putting apart scepticism, if it turns out to be a good collaboration platform, I wonder if it can really solve all collaboration needs, or just combines the already existing tools, that you might find that sucks like email, but I might be satisfied with.<br
/> The core thread plus sideforks plus media sounds fine, but never really felt that the existing tools would be so bad about it.</p><p>What I&#8217;d like to have in a single collaboration tool (leading 10 people in a telco support and integrator department) on top and not instead of my existing e-mail / IM / presence / fileserver possibilities :<br
/> -easy file sharing of eventually big files. Even cd iso images or bigger.<br
/> -task assignment with notifiers, acknowledgement, possibility of progress or status reporting (not for project managers, no need for overcomplicated resource graphs and visual representation of task dependencies, just simple stuff)<br
/> -groupcalendar that interacts with corporate tools (Outlook/Exchange and cellphone calendars)<br
/> -rss feeds for separate topics<br
/> -All this without having to direct our corporate mailing from internal Exchange accounts to public gmail &#8211; admitting, that I still have no understanding what and how exactly wave does.</p><p>Will wave do some of these for me?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The DataRat</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12185</link> <dc:creator>The DataRat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12185</guid> <description>.&quot;By the way do you need
Wave invite as well ?&quot;.Thanks, but I got to wash my hair today..The DataRat.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p><p>&#8220;By the way do you need<br
/> Wave invite as well ?&#8221;</p><p>.</p><p>Thanks, but I got to wash my hair today.</p><p>.</p><p>The DataRat</p><p>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12181</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:39:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12181</guid> <description>@DataRat&lt;cite&gt;Well, THAT’s exact ~it~ ! Google Wave is, more than anything else, a COLLABORATION TOOL.&lt;/cite&gt;I consider it foremost communication tool. It simply does better job for collaboration because of good communication model.&lt;cite&gt;My experience being that each added person to real time communication
arithmetically subtracts intelligence from the overall dialogue. The
IQ of any given conversation elevates inversely to the number of
people conversing !&lt;/cite&gt;That&#039;s what good Wave fixes or at least subdues. It allows side-discussions to fork into threads - they are there, but they do not ruin core topic.And strong editorial functions allow to easily weed stuff out and keep wave in shape. Much like moderators on forums and wikis have to do, but in Wave process is probably easier and faster.By the way do you need Wave invite as well? :) No wave account on email you use for comments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DataRat</p><p><cite>Well, THAT’s exact ~it~ ! Google Wave is, more than anything else, a COLLABORATION TOOL.</cite></p><p>I consider it foremost communication tool. It simply does better job for collaboration because of good communication model.</p><p><cite>My experience being that each added person to real time communication<br
/> arithmetically subtracts intelligence from the overall dialogue. The<br
/> IQ of any given conversation elevates inversely to the number of<br
/> people conversing !</cite></p><p>That&#8217;s what good Wave fixes or at least subdues. It allows side-discussions to fork into threads &#8211; they are there, but they do not ruin core topic.</p><p>And strong editorial functions allow to easily weed stuff out and keep wave in shape. Much like moderators on forums and wikis have to do, but in Wave process is probably easier and faster.</p><p>By the way do you need Wave invite as well? :) No wave account on email you use for comments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The DataRat</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12180</link> <dc:creator>The DataRat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:42:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12180</guid> <description>.&quot;I never understood the
facebook and twitter hype
neither&quot;.Same here !Facebook and, particularly, Twitter are entirely over-rated..&quot;Email is standard but
completely suck, over
two people in the loop
and conversation falls
apart&quot;.Well, THAT&#039;s exact ~it~ ! Google Wave is, more than anything else,
a COLLABORATION TOOL.I have enough difficulty finding meaningful conversation with a
single individual at a time ...much less multiplex communications !
[ As opposed to a forum (like this one) which is one-to-many rather
than true multiplex (i.e., simultaneous two-way). ]My experience being that each added person to real time communication
arithmetically subtracts intelligence from the overall dialogue. The
IQ of any given conversation elevates inversely to the number of
people conversing !.The DataRat.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p><p>&#8220;I never understood the<br
/> facebook and twitter hype<br
/> neither&#8221;</p><p>.</p><p>Same here !</p><p>Facebook and, particularly, Twitter are entirely over-rated.</p><p>.</p><p>&#8220;Email is standard but<br
/> completely suck, over<br
/> two people in the loop<br
/> and conversation falls<br
/> apart&#8221;</p><p>.</p><p>Well, THAT&#8217;s exact ~it~ ! Google Wave is, more than anything else,<br
/> a COLLABORATION TOOL.</p><p>I have enough difficulty finding meaningful conversation with a<br
/> single individual at a time &#8230;much less multiplex communications !<br
/> [ As opposed to a forum (like this one) which is one-to-many rather<br
/> than true multiplex (i.e., simultaneous two-way). ]</p><p>My experience being that each added person to real time communication<br
/> arithmetically subtracts intelligence from the overall dialogue. The<br
/> IQ of any given conversation elevates inversely to the number of<br
/> people conversing !</p><p>.</p><p>The DataRat</p><p>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12178</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:08:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12178</guid> <description>@DataRatHaving multiply inflexible tools for same task (communication) is highly counter-productive. Email is standard but completely suck, over two people in the loop and conversation falls apart.Rest of stuff is so specific that with every new contact you have to do complex acquainting dance of figuring out how your IM accounts intersect (if at all), how do you exchange files and so on. Often this ends up with signups to even more services.So I see great value in single flexible tool as replacement. Wave also plans to gate with existing tools so that will solve convincing other parties to signup if they are fixed on tools they have.By the way you are off the mark with complexity. Wave manages to pull of flexibility without being complex. Naturally there is more to it that usual send/receive routine, but it is easy to figure out and use.Overall I like theory behind Wave, but I am not that confident in specific Google&#039;s implementation of that theory and if it will reach critical mass.Anyway it&#039;s way too early to see meaningful impact from Wave, will see how it goes in next few years.@szekelyaWave is not revolutionary, it is evolutionary. It took basic building of existing communication tools and merged them in single concept.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DataRat</p><p>Having multiply inflexible tools for same task (communication) is highly counter-productive. Email is standard but completely suck, over two people in the loop and conversation falls apart.</p><p>Rest of stuff is so specific that with every new contact you have to do complex acquainting dance of figuring out how your IM accounts intersect (if at all), how do you exchange files and so on. Often this ends up with signups to even more services.</p><p>So I see great value in single flexible tool as replacement. Wave also plans to gate with existing tools so that will solve convincing other parties to signup if they are fixed on tools they have.</p><p>By the way you are off the mark with complexity. Wave manages to pull of flexibility without being complex. Naturally there is more to it that usual send/receive routine, but it is easy to figure out and use.</p><p>Overall I like theory behind Wave, but I am not that confident in specific Google&#8217;s implementation of that theory and if it will reach critical mass.</p><p>Anyway it&#8217;s way too early to see meaningful impact from Wave, will see how it goes in next few years.</p><p>@szekelya</p><p>Wave is not revolutionary, it is evolutionary. It took basic building of existing communication tools and merged them in single concept.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: szekelya</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/web/google-wave-preview/#comment-12174</link> <dc:creator>szekelya</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:32:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rarst.net/?p=528#comment-12174</guid> <description>There at LifeHacker they have orgasms about nearly everything starting from PVC pipe laptop stands to cardboard iPhone holders, but I take the liberty to get enthusiastic only about stuff I really need or like. They have recently featured one of my desktop screenshots / system meters, so sometimes they are hyping the right things. :)I also can&#039;t imagine how it would be so revolutionary thing changing everything we used to think about internet communication, but that does not mean too much, I never understood the facebook and twitter hype neither, still many think those are the best things since sliced bread.For me the [gmail / greader / pidgin-with-multiple-protocols / cellphone for &quot;live chat&quot;]  combo did the job, and I have already stopped wishing for a desktop gmail client for a while, I like my browser better than my desktop apps and prefer to talk on my phone than in IM clients.
In that manner a web based combination of all of these might be a great idea, but since my online social life does not even remotely resembles of those youngsters, who are so loud about it, I might not be from the typical target group.Bottomline, I want to try that once my invitation arrives before I&#039;d be calm to put that in the facebook/myspace/twitter drawer.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There at LifeHacker they have orgasms about nearly everything starting from PVC pipe laptop stands to cardboard iPhone holders, but I take the liberty to get enthusiastic only about stuff I really need or like. They have recently featured one of my desktop screenshots / system meters, so sometimes they are hyping the right things. :)</p><p>I also can&#8217;t imagine how it would be so revolutionary thing changing everything we used to think about internet communication, but that does not mean too much, I never understood the facebook and twitter hype neither, still many think those are the best things since sliced bread.</p><p>For me the [gmail / greader / pidgin-with-multiple-protocols / cellphone for "live chat"]  combo did the job, and I have already stopped wishing for a desktop gmail client for a while, I like my browser better than my desktop apps and prefer to talk on my phone than in IM clients.<br
/> In that manner a web based combination of all of these might be a great idea, but since my online social life does not even remotely resembles of those youngsters, who are so loud about it, I might not be from the typical target group.</p><p>Bottomline, I want to try that once my invitation arrives before I&#8217;d be calm to put that in the facebook/myspace/twitter drawer.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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