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> <channel><title>Comments on: Cheap or not? MSI Wind U100 Vs HP Compaq 2510p</title> <atom:link href="http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/</link> <description>cynical thoughts on software, web, etc</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-11822</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:31:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-11822</guid> <description>@DataRatI got over idea of buying netbook because prices never came down around here. They are still $400-500+ and less only for leftovers of really outdated models.With new lineups on CULV processors starting at $600 it just doesn&#039;t seem like a good deal.For now I am fine with my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rarst.net/hardware/dell-vostro-1310/&quot;&gt;Dell Vostro 1310&lt;/a&gt;, will see how it goes in few years.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DataRat</p><p>I got over idea of buying netbook because prices never came down around here. They are still $400-500+ and less only for leftovers of really outdated models.</p><p>With new lineups on CULV processors starting at $600 it just doesn&#8217;t seem like a good deal.</p><p>For now I am fine with my <a
href="http://www.rarst.net/hardware/dell-vostro-1310/">Dell Vostro 1310</a>, will see how it goes in few years.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The DataRat</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-11806</link> <dc:creator>The DataRat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:03:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-11806</guid> <description>On the subject of netbooks, generally...My wife and I each have an Asus EEE PC HA1000. Our first EEE PC
had a 7-inch screen which we found totally unworkable. So we both
bought the HA1000 with 10-inch screens. This is the ~minimum~
feasible monitor size for a netbook !Rationale behind netbooks being convenience and portability. Don&#039;t
expect full-size laptop results from a netbook, and you won&#039;t be
disappointed ! Yet, overall, we have been amazed at how adequate
our 10-inch Asus netbooks are.Second thing: The 1.6-gHz Intel Atom processor is the practical
minimum for comfortable computing. Any slower CPU will disappoint !
( Many of the newest netbooks come with a 1.4-gHz CPU. )Third thing: By definition, a &quot;netbook&quot; doesn&#039;t have an integral
optical [CD/DVD] drive. Anybody bothered by this should consider
just how often they actually use that drive. Most people are going
to realize that -unless they play a lot of games or watch a lot of
movies- they don&#039;t really use an optical drive all that often.We bought a nice Memorex external DVD reader/writer from Geeks.com
for $30. Use it for our netbooks, but it&#039;s also a nice back-up for
our systems which have integral optical drives. Plus sometimes a
second CD/DVD drive is expedient. An external optical drive ain&#039;t
exclusively a netbook investment when you have other computers.Fourth thing: Our two Asus netbooks each have a 160-gig hard drive.
There&#039;s no good reason to have less. And 160-gigs has proven quite
adequate.SSD [Solid State Drives] are very nice. When prices come down, and
capacity goes up (to at least 120-gigs at a $150 price point), we&#039;ll
likely convert to SSD.  Right now, though, SSD specs and technology
need to stabilize a little more.Fifth thing: First thing we did was increase the RAM on our Asus
netbooks from 1-gig to 2-gigs. Even though they run Windows XP,
two gigs RAM makes everything run better and faster. And, at about
$30, this was cheap enough to be a no-brainer !Sixth thing: The smaller keyboards on netbooks is a REALLY BIG
DEAL for many folks. I hunt-and-peck two finger type, so it
could matter less to me. The wife touch-types, and she bought a
rubber flexible roll-up keyboard. $22 at USBgeeks...http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0370MY IDEAL NETBOOK:The perfect netbook would have...* An 11-inch screen. ( Who says that netbooks are limited to
10.4-inch screens ? ) This retains the basic small form factor
while optimizing monitor view-ability.* One of the new Intel Atom 1.6-gHz DUAL CORE processors. ( Intel
~hates~ netbooks, and refuses to release this CPU for use in them ! )* Windows 7 Home Premium. ( Microsoft says Win 7 Home Premium works
in netbooks equally as well as Win 7 Basic. ) Preferably the 64-bit
version. Then having 4-gigs RAM makes sense.Forget Linux. Too non-standard. Who wants to have to learn another
operating system ?* 4-gigs of RAM. ( Only practical using 64-bit Windows. )* Three USB ports. ( Which Asus ~already~ has on their EEE PC&#039;s. )* At least one eSATA port.* Matte black finish. ( Unlike the current Asus glossy black,
which looks absolutely great ...until you touch it ! )* 160-gig or bigger SSD (without jacking up retail cost of the
notebook by a few hundred dollars !).Until then, a conventional 160-gig hard drive is perfectly
satisfactory.The DataRat.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of netbooks, generally&#8230;</p><p>My wife and I each have an Asus EEE PC HA1000. Our first EEE PC<br
/> had a 7-inch screen which we found totally unworkable. So we both<br
/> bought the HA1000 with 10-inch screens. This is the ~minimum~<br
/> feasible monitor size for a netbook !</p><p>Rationale behind netbooks being convenience and portability. Don&#8217;t<br
/> expect full-size laptop results from a netbook, and you won&#8217;t be<br
/> disappointed ! Yet, overall, we have been amazed at how adequate<br
/> our 10-inch Asus netbooks are.</p><p>Second thing: The 1.6-gHz Intel Atom processor is the practical<br
/> minimum for comfortable computing. Any slower CPU will disappoint !<br
/> ( Many of the newest netbooks come with a 1.4-gHz CPU. )</p><p>Third thing: By definition, a &#8220;netbook&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have an integral<br
/> optical [CD/DVD] drive. Anybody bothered by this should consider<br
/> just how often they actually use that drive. Most people are going<br
/> to realize that -unless they play a lot of games or watch a lot of<br
/> movies- they don&#8217;t really use an optical drive all that often.</p><p>We bought a nice Memorex external DVD reader/writer from Geeks.com<br
/> for $30. Use it for our netbooks, but it&#8217;s also a nice back-up for<br
/> our systems which have integral optical drives. Plus sometimes a<br
/> second CD/DVD drive is expedient. An external optical drive ain&#8217;t<br
/> exclusively a netbook investment when you have other computers.</p><p>Fourth thing: Our two Asus netbooks each have a 160-gig hard drive.<br
/> There&#8217;s no good reason to have less. And 160-gigs has proven quite<br
/> adequate.</p><p>SSD [Solid State Drives] are very nice. When prices come down, and<br
/> capacity goes up (to at least 120-gigs at a $150 price point), we&#8217;ll<br
/> likely convert to SSD.  Right now, though, SSD specs and technology<br
/> need to stabilize a little more.</p><p>Fifth thing: First thing we did was increase the RAM on our Asus<br
/> netbooks from 1-gig to 2-gigs. Even though they run Windows XP,<br
/> two gigs RAM makes everything run better and faster. And, at about<br
/> $30, this was cheap enough to be a no-brainer !</p><p>Sixth thing: The smaller keyboards on netbooks is a REALLY BIG<br
/> DEAL for many folks. I hunt-and-peck two finger type, so it<br
/> could matter less to me. The wife touch-types, and she bought a<br
/> rubber flexible roll-up keyboard. $22 at USBgeeks&#8230;</p><p><a
href="http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0370">http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0370</a></p><p>MY IDEAL NETBOOK:</p><p>The perfect netbook would have&#8230;</p><p>* An 11-inch screen. ( Who says that netbooks are limited to<br
/> 10.4-inch screens ? ) This retains the basic small form factor<br
/> while optimizing monitor view-ability.</p><p>* One of the new Intel Atom 1.6-gHz DUAL CORE processors. ( Intel<br
/> ~hates~ netbooks, and refuses to release this CPU for use in them ! )</p><p>* Windows 7 Home Premium. ( Microsoft says Win 7 Home Premium works<br
/> in netbooks equally as well as Win 7 Basic. ) Preferably the 64-bit<br
/> version. Then having 4-gigs RAM makes sense.</p><p>Forget Linux. Too non-standard. Who wants to have to learn another<br
/> operating system ?</p><p>* 4-gigs of RAM. ( Only practical using 64-bit Windows. )</p><p>* Three USB ports. ( Which Asus ~already~ has on their EEE PC&#8217;s. )</p><p>* At least one eSATA port.</p><p>* Matte black finish. ( Unlike the current Asus glossy black,<br
/> which looks absolutely great &#8230;until you touch it ! )</p><p>* 160-gig or bigger SSD (without jacking up retail cost of the<br
/> notebook by a few hundred dollars !).</p><p>Until then, a conventional 160-gig hard drive is perfectly<br
/> satisfactory.</p><p>The DataRat</p><p>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dell Vostro 1310 – great small business notebook &#124; www.Rarst.net</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7688</link> <dc:creator>Dell Vostro 1310 – great small business notebook &#124; www.Rarst.net</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:13:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7688</guid> <description>[...] so it would be no effort to take it to work and programming courses, since I still drool about HP 2510p I estimated 1,5-2kg range and dimensions that don’t require separate bag – sub 15” [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so it would be no effort to take it to work and programming courses, since I still drool about HP 2510p I estimated 1,5-2kg range and dimensions that don’t require separate bag – sub 15” [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7473</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:45:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7473</guid> <description>@nandoThanks for extensive comment! I tend to hear a lot about failed expectations about netbooks. They are nice but slightly overhyped as &quot;small but can do anything&quot;.At first I estimated that 2nd generation of notebook will be much more refined but it seems it will take even longer than that to move to new chipsets and bigger screen sizes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nando</p><p>Thanks for extensive comment! I tend to hear a lot about failed expectations about netbooks. They are nice but slightly overhyped as &#8220;small but can do anything&#8221;.</p><p>At first I estimated that 2nd generation of notebook will be much more refined but it seems it will take even longer than that to move to new chipsets and bigger screen sizes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nando</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7471</link> <dc:creator>nando</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7471</guid> <description>I&#039;ve used a ASUS 1000H and a HP 2510P. I jumped on the netbook bandwagon, briefly, to discover the 1000H was a cramped experience.. the screen resolution, keyboard and trackpad buttons were hard and overall feel was quite plasticy. Was this a toy? I had high expectations and unfortunately was overall disappointed. The &quot;up to 7 hours battery life&quot; ended up being more like 4.5, 5 at best and less with Linux, which was great because I had reason to return it and get my money back on grounds of false advertising.The 2510P is a much better user experience and in my location sells for not much more than a netbook. Seems the reviews of the slow harddisk taken a big bite out of it&#039;s resale. I discovered this to be true. Slow harddisk was a pain. So, together with other 2510P users we figured multiple ways around it and documented it for other 2510P users to benefit from here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=352887 .With a low buy in price for a 2510P it becomes quite a user configurable unit. A bargain in my opinion.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used a ASUS 1000H and a HP 2510P. I jumped on the netbook bandwagon, briefly, to discover the 1000H was a cramped experience.. the screen resolution, keyboard and trackpad buttons were hard and overall feel was quite plasticy. Was this a toy? I had high expectations and unfortunately was overall disappointed. The &#8220;up to 7 hours battery life&#8221; ended up being more like 4.5, 5 at best and less with Linux, which was great because I had reason to return it and get my money back on grounds of false advertising.</p><p>The 2510P is a much better user experience and in my location sells for not much more than a netbook. Seems the reviews of the slow harddisk taken a big bite out of it&#8217;s resale. I discovered this to be true. Slow harddisk was a pain. So, together with other 2510P users we figured multiple ways around it and documented it for other 2510P users to benefit from here: <a
href="http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=352887">http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=352887</a> .</p><p>With a low buy in price for a 2510P it becomes quite a user configurable unit. A bargain in my opinion.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7381</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:11:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7381</guid> <description>@rejettoYeah, I have an impression that second hand market for 2510p is quite common which is sign of good model. :)Netbooks are good concept but they ended up couple hundred bucks higher than initial expectations (Asus started all the hype with $200 expected price) and have performance issues on top - small screen and bad chipset in first generation mostly.Doesn&#039;t look like prices coming down so they will brobably get better in performance and phase out part of budget notebook market, instead of being below them.Myself I had recently bought Dell Vostro 1310. Will review later after more usage time.Glad to see you at my blog btw, hope you find it worthwhile. :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rejetto</p><p>Yeah, I have an impression that second hand market for 2510p is quite common which is sign of good model. :)</p><p>Netbooks are good concept but they ended up couple hundred bucks higher than initial expectations (Asus started all the hype with $200 expected price) and have performance issues on top &#8211; small screen and bad chipset in first generation mostly.</p><p>Doesn&#8217;t look like prices coming down so they will brobably get better in performance and phase out part of budget notebook market, instead of being below them.</p><p>Myself I had recently bought Dell Vostro 1310. Will review later after more usage time.</p><p>Glad to see you at my blog btw, hope you find it worthwhile. :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rejetto</title><link>http://www.rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7379</link> <dc:creator>rejetto</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:06:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.Rarst.net/hardware/msi-wind-vs-hp-2510p/#comment-7379</guid> <description>i own a 2510p, and often wondered if a netbook would be enough.
always came to a &quot;no&quot; by intuition, but your review was helpful.
2510p is just too expensive, so i bought it 2nd hand for half the price.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i own a 2510p, and often wondered if a netbook would be enough.<br
/> always came to a &#8220;no&#8221; by intuition, but your review was helpful.<br
/> 2510p is just too expensive, so i bought it 2nd hand for half the price.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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